T-38A ADV RDX

[Greg-D]

I installed the T-38A ADV RDX in my P3D v4.5 sim. The aircraft can be loaded and is perfectly visible in that sim. The problem is that my mouse, keyboard, and ThrustMaster Warthog joy stick do nothing. There is absolutely no way to interface with the aircraft. All other P3D aircraft are functioning as expected. I downloaded and installed v1.190901 yesterday and got the same error msgs. as before: "Error opening file for writing" The files have a path name as follows: C:\Users\Greg\AppData\Local\MVAMS This is the beginning of paths for six unwritable files The paths end with the following: 1)MVAMS.exe 2)SharpDX.DirectInput.dll 3)SharpDX.DirectSound.dll 4)SharpDx.dll 5)Xceed.Wpf.Toolkit.dll 6)Modules\T-38A.dll So it appears that the installer is not installing these files. How can I fix this problem so I can fly your product? I do get the MVAMS shortcut and I run it before the sim but it seems it has nowhere to look for my inputs as files seem to be missing.

[JonathanBleeker]

1: Make sure there is no MVAMS.exe in your task manager processes when installing an update.
2: Is your P3D Pro or Academic? We have had to become a little stricter on using our non commercial license products in P3D Pro.

[Greg-D]

I followed the instructions and checked MVAMS off in task manager. I have been scrupulous in complying with all instructions in manual and e-mails so I assume it is something else. I do not understand your comment concerning P3D pro. Your web site told me that the new T-38A only runs on that platform.
I was honest and bought the Pro @ $200. Way too much to pay but I am not a student. And I wanted the new model as I liked the older one I put on FSX Steam. I'm sure you can sense my frustration.

[doodlebug]

To clarify:

(from the website)
Prepar3d Academic only.
Prepar3d Professional & Professional Plus are not supported

[Greg-D]

I checked your website and found the statement about P3D academic license support. Under the picture it only says P3D v.4. There is nothing to indicate that Pro is not supported. Milviz sent out a general notification a while back saying that you were not going to develop for FSX anymore. It indicated too that P3D would be the new platform (again not P3D academic just P3D). If you don't go into the T-38A product page you (I) would miss that fine point. The only reason I got P3D was because I wanted to get your new T-38A model. If these add-ons are only for students you need to make that clear. These products (P3D and T-38A) cost me a total of over $260. What can you do to make this right? I purchased the original T-38A from Milviz so I think I am an honest to goodness cutomer, (at least I was).

[JonathanBleeker]

We have to do this in order to prevent entertainment products from being used for training purposes. You can own both the academic and pro licenses while only having the academic installed if you are concerned about legalities.

[Greg-D]

I am quite taken aback by this latest response. Allow me to explain. I was an Air Force pilot in my former days and presently have PhD in economics. I hope that will help you understand where I am coming from. Your distinction between "entertainment" and "training" is not honest. I have flown sims for some time, mostly FSX, X-Plane, DCS, etc. The pro P3D I am now running is identical to the academic as per LM's own statements. From my experience the Pro hardly differs at all from FSX. The menus, pop-up instruments, maps etc. are exactly copied from FSX. The only difference is aircraft inventory. I actually prefer FSX aircraft selection to P3D. My primary interest is your T-38A RDX. Now you are telling me that this academic license is somehow different i,e, entertainment vs. training. P3D Pro is no more an actual training sim than FSX or any other sim sold as entertainment. Now you want me to buy the academic license too (an exact duplicate of what I already have). I know there is some sort of contract agreement between P3D and Dovetail which is most likely the real cause of all this difficulty. How am I supposed to process your proposal when the LM license agreement clearly states that the academic license is only for students K-12 and undergraduates? I am neither, so I can't see how your solution is applicable.

[doodlebug]

We have a new build that will work with the pro version
http://milviz.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=220&t=11087

[JonathanBleeker]

I am quite taken aback by this latest response. Allow me to explain. I was an Air Force pilot in my former days and presently have PhD in economics. I hope that will help you understand where I am coming from. Your distinction between "entertainment" and "training" is not honest. I have flown sims for some time, mostly FSX, X-Plane, DCS, etc. The pro P3D I am now running is identical to the academic as per LM's own statements. From my experience the Pro hardly differs at all from FSX. The menus, pop-up instruments, maps etc. are exactly copied from FSX. The only difference is aircraft inventory. I actually prefer FSX aircraft selection to P3D. My primary interest is your T-38A RDX. Now you are telling me that this academic license is somehow different i,e, entertainment vs. training. P3D Pro is no more an actual training sim than FSX or any other sim sold as entertainment. Now you want me to buy the academic license too (an exact duplicate of what I already have). I know there is some sort of contract agreement between P3D and Dovetail which is most likely the real cause of all this difficulty. How am I supposed to process your proposal when the LM license agreement clearly states that the academic license is only for students K-12 and undergraduates? I am neither, so I can't see how your solution is applicable.

I meant commercial training, ie USAF/Flight school types who fall outside of LM’s academic license terms. Either way though, as Ois said, we have gone over the policy again and the products are updated to work in Pro/Academic although not pro plus.

[Greg-D]

Thank-you for the fix. Build ...904 did allow me to load the aircraft on the Pro version. I am having trouble with the aircraft itself and have been working with Oisin on this. I have to remark that your response does not make sense yet. You are trying to avoid the fact that the P3D license agreement specifically states that the academic license is for "K-12 or undergraduates" . That doesn't leave much to the imagination and there is no mention at all of Military training. Maybe the military does use Pro+ but I was not talking about that. Can you see how fishy this all looks to me? I have been patient and understanding throughout and feel that your company is evading my real concerns. If you are not hiding something please accept my apologies but it surely seems something is not right about this whole thing.

[Greg-D]

Jon, I now understand your earlier responses, Oisin clued me in about your problems with P3D. Sorry if I offended. Now moving on Oisin said you have a new build today. I can't find it. Am I to early?

[JonathanBleeker]

A little. I haven’t set up the updater on the server side yet, although the file is on the server. And you would have to do a lot more to offend me

[Greg-D]

OK, got it. BTW, (and I assume you saw my e-mails to Oisin) I have been able to effect a substantial in trim response by setting the P3D elevator trim axis to its minimum value. So if someone else has that issue it may help them too. I have discovered some new things too. The add-on menu is not fully functional. I can only get the failure menu. Clicking on sliders or AB threshold gives nothing. I addition, Clicking threshold causes a CTD. A T-38 has to have an afterburner or it really isn't a T-38. Yesterday when I was flying the throttle went full-throttle and was stuck there. N1 was 100% and all other engine instruments were reading incorrectly and erratic. The only way I could retard the throttle was with keyboard "F" keys. I will continue to check this out to see if was a one-time deal. Also something to add on the N1 gauge issue. When the big needle reads say 90% the small is at 6 (should be zero). They never agree. So it is impossible to fly precise airspeeds.

[JonathanBleeker]

Is your P3D set to run as admin? It sounds like you have a permissions issue preventing the sim from writing to the MVAMS folder.

Also, the T-38A doesn't support trim axis inputs. Only trim increment/decrement inputs, preferably by assigning the control in the MVAMS.

Just to confirm, you were able to get past the install error by making sure the MVAMS is not running in the task manager?

[Greg-D]

I know that I installed the T-38 as an administrator because I chose that option. I reinstalled yesterday and specified it again. I do not know about P3D's status vis. to administration install. And I don't know how to check it. The task manager showed no tasks running. Yesterday after I reinstalled and checked it all out the ADI froze up completely and nothing seemed to bring it back except reloading the entire scenario. I will try again today. We'll see. Is there some special thing I am not doing with MVAMS. It seems that you think that is my culprit. I set it up the way it shows in your T-38 Guide so I don't know what else to do.