310 Redux won't save/load in ground scenario properly

[JNS]

Ohhh, well THAT could explain a couple of things. It seems like everything else is working so far, so I can just continue to manually remove the chocks and covers. Is there any version of 310R Redux that officially supports P3D v.3.2.3 ? The Products page said it supports "P3D V2/V3/V4" so I assumed it supported all versions of P3D 3.

Thanks, Oisin.
Jeff

[N4GIX]

Jeff, this aircraft should work in all versions of P3D up to and including v4.3. However, we "officially" only provide support for the "latest version". Keep in mind that we've been developing this aircraft since FSX, so we try to keep it consistent across all platforms.

Now that said, I've fixed a couple of long standing issues and will be providing an update hopefully this weekend.

[JNS]

Fantastic, Bill. Thank you, thank you! I'll be looking forward to it. Really appreciate your help. BTW, love the plane.

Jeff

[JNS]

Thanks for the update, Bill. I uninstalled my previous version and installed 3.180616 SP3.7, but still have the chocks and pitot covers with engines running everytime I load. Also, under Add-ons I still see "310R Load: Cold and Dark". It may just be some quirk with P3D3.2.3, I don't know, but I can live with it. The only other thing I can think of is that there is a remnant from my old 310R or 310R Redux versions that is interfering. I'm using the previous Milviz Installer (the one associated with the version I'm uninstalling) when I do the uninstall.

Thanks,
Jeff

[N918JC]

Well... I don't know if it's a quirk or not. In P3d 4.2 since SP 3.7, when I load cold and dark the fuel selectors are set to mains and the chocks/covers are missing. I also notice the bullet colors for selecting covers and chocks are reversed now. This whole scenario is reversed when selecting the ready to taxi option. That is, of course, except the fuel selectors.

Not a big deal for me either and certainly something I can live with as well. Just wanted to confirm that it is also present in 4.2.

Jesse

[JNS]

Thanks for the reply, Jesse. That's interesting to know. It will probably all get straightened out eventually. In the meantime, I'm enjoying the plane. BTW, for reference, when my chocks and covers are showing and I go to Preflight Utility, the bullet buttons are both green. Actually, I'm not sure which way is correct. According to the 310R POH it says "To remove the chocks and plugs/covers, you toggle the green light. In short, to fly, you "green up!" To me, that means no chocks or covers when lights are green. Either mine are indeed reversed, too, or I'm misinterpreting what the manual says regarding "green up" (which I thought meant the lights should be green to fly). But even if I click on them and they turn red (and the chocks/covers diasappear), when I save and reload, they come back green with chocks and covers showing (with engines running). I have MVAMS set for ready to fly. Oh, and I have to hit Shift-3 instead of Shift 7 to bring up the Preflight Utility.

Jeff

[N4GIX]

I also notice the bullet colors for selecting covers and chocks are reversed now.

That should not even be possible since the XML script in the preflight utility gauge hasn't changed since 2005.

The logic gauge controls the green/red lights. When set for:
Cold and Dark, the lights should all be red, as the L:vars are set to equal 1.
Ready to Fly, the lights should all be green, as the L:vars are set to equal 0.

[JNS]

Thanks, Bill, for the clarification. That's what I thought it should be, but in my case the lights are all green, but I still see the chocks and pitot covers (and engines running). MVAMS is set for Ready to Fly.

Jeff

[N918JC]

OK. Allow me to try to explain more clearly what I meant by "reversed".

When I load cold and dark all three bullets are indeed red. However, the chocks and covers are not present. So if I change the bullets to green then the chocks and covers are present. "Show Pilot" works as before.

I skipped over installing SP3.5 and SP3.6, so I don't know when this behavior began. It was not present in SP3.4.

Again, this is what I am seeing in P3D v4.

Hope this is helpful,

Jesse

[JNS]

Bill, here's another bit of information. I just tried setting VMAMS to "Cold and Dark" (first time I have done this). Surprisingly, the 310R Redux loaded up with engines running, pitot covers and chocks showing. And all lights were green in the Preflight Utility. In other words, my plane loads up the same whether I specify "Cold and Dark" or not in VMAMS. This sounds similar to a problem that Robains was having with some other Milviz planes, but I never did see a resolution to that in the forum. BTW, I always start P3D and VMAMS to "Run as Administrator".

Thanks again,
Jeff

[N4GIX]

Bill, here's another bit of information. I just tried setting VMAMS to "Cold and Dark" (first time I have done this). Surprisingly, the 310R Redux loaded up with engines running, pitot covers and chocks showing.

Jeff, what that tells me is that for some reason MVAMS is not communicating with the aircraft at all. It is MVAMS that sets the control variable: (L:C310_ColdDark, bool)...

Three conditions are required for the "Cold and Dark" scenario to be loaded:

1. (L:C310_ColdDark, bool) = TRUE
2. (L:FirstLoad,bool) ! and = FALSE
3. (A:SIM ON GROUND,bool) and = TRUE

[JNS]

Thanks, Bill. I will check that out later today. Maybe that will also clear up the "all lights green, with chocks and covers showing and engines running" problem in Ready-To Fly mode, too, once we get the communication going.

Jeff

[JNS]

Hi, Bill. Well, I tried to find the information you gave me to check, but I never could locate it. I really didn't know where to look and several of the MVAMS files I found, i.e. .cfg files, I couldn't open or when I did I couldn't make heads or tails of them. All I did manage to find was this: AppData>Local>MVAMS>Configurations>C310R and in it was the statement "ColdandDark=False".

I really don't know how to proceed from here. Assuming there is a communication problem between MVAMS and the aircraft (1)What could cause that? AND (2)What can be done to remedy it?

I guess the other possibility would be that I had a bad download. I always download and install with UAC off and Windows Defender/Firewall off.

Thanks very much for your help.
Jeff

[N4GIX]

In my post above I greatly simplified the actual process to make it easier to explain. The actual script will be found in the C310_logic.xml file contained as a sub-gauge of the C310_XMLGauges.CAB or C310_XMLGauges folder.

At the very top of that logic gauge there are two initialization routines. Which one is executed when first loading the aircraft depends on the cited variable's state as set by the MVAMS module. Since you report that the file MVAMS creates shows: "ColdandDark=False" means that MVAMS is setting it correctly (i.e., the inverse of the ColdandDark means of course "ReadyToFly"), but is not apparently being sent to the sim is where the process is breaking down. That is Jon's remit...

[JNS]

Thanks, Bill. It sounds like it's out of your territory now and into Jon's. For Jon's (and your) information I have posted a summary of the steps I took last night and the results. I hope Jon can take a look to see what might be wrong. Like I mentioned before, I can live with this and just manually remove chocks and covers, but it would be nice if things worked like they are supposed to. Thanks again very much for you time and help with this matter.

I am running Windows 7 and P3D v. 3.2.3 .
1. Turned OFF UAC and Windows Firewall/Defender security
2. Uninstalled 310R Redux v3.180616 SP3.7 with the SP3.7 installer
3. Cleaned out any reference to 310R or 310R Redux that I could find in folders
4. Downloaded and installed fresh installer v3.180616 SP3.7 from Milviz website
5. I have set MVAMS to "Cold and Dark". (In MVAMS Configurations it says "ColdandDark=True")
6. After testing in this mode I also went on to set MVAMS to Ready-to-Fly state ("Cold and Dark" unchecked in MVAMS) for further testing (In MVAMS Configurations it says "ColdandDark=False")
7. Start P3D and go to Scenario Setup screen and I Change Vehicle to Cessna 310R Redux DIRFT, click on OK, then click on OK again to load the Redux at the default airport.

After BOTH steps 5, 6, and then 7 above ("Cold and Dark" AND "Ready-To-Fly modes) these were the results:
1. Plane is sitting on runway with both engines running, chocks showing, pitot covers showing, and pilot showing
2. In the Preflight Utility all three lights are green. I can click on the green lights for chocks and pitot covers and the chocks and covers disappear and both lights turn red. I can close the Preflight Utility and take off and everything seems fine otherwise (at least as far as I can tell).
3. When I look at Add-Ons at the top of the screen I see "310R, Load:Cold and Dark".

Jeff