Elevator comes and goes.
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Ron Attwood
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Elevator comes and goes.
I've recently had the experience of a non-functioning elevator control. The scenario is thus:
Load basic Beaver. Start basic Beaver. set off down the runway in basic Beaver. Notes that the tail wheel now comes up in a much nicer way. Smiles.
Tries to climb but notices a reticence to do so. Yoke wiggles back and forth as it should but without the accompanying seesaw effect. Take a look outside and sure enough the elevators aren't responding!
Start again.
Load basic Beaver etc. etc. This time I look outside and elevators work. Still outside I start 'er up and set off. Elevators are still working on the take off run BUT they stop working ar the moment of take off.
Start again.
Different basic Beaver. Everything works properly. Smiles.
Start again.
And we're back to square one.
Run the sequence a few more times, have a hissy fit, shut down P3Dv4 and watches some Mickey Mouse cartoons instead.
Not really, the wife's behind me.
Load basic Beaver. Start basic Beaver. set off down the runway in basic Beaver. Notes that the tail wheel now comes up in a much nicer way. Smiles.
Tries to climb but notices a reticence to do so. Yoke wiggles back and forth as it should but without the accompanying seesaw effect. Take a look outside and sure enough the elevators aren't responding!
Start again.
Load basic Beaver etc. etc. This time I look outside and elevators work. Still outside I start 'er up and set off. Elevators are still working on the take off run BUT they stop working ar the moment of take off.
Start again.
Different basic Beaver. Everything works properly. Smiles.
Start again.
And we're back to square one.
Run the sequence a few more times, have a hissy fit, shut down P3Dv4 and watches some Mickey Mouse cartoons instead.
Not really, the wife's behind me.
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Krazycolin
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Re: Elevator comes and goes.
I'm going to refund your money Ron.
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Ron Attwood
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Re: Elevator comes and goes.
I'm not asking for that. I'd just like a clue as to what's happening.
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Krazycolin
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Re: Elevator comes and goes.
Ron, honestly, this sounds like an intermittent fault which, would likely be your hardware as I'm pretty sure there's no special code in the elevators. It's default. So that'd be where I'd look first.
Next up, though I get your trying to be funny, the porn thing is out of line here.
Next up, though I get your trying to be funny, the porn thing is out of line here.
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JonathanBleeker
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Re: Elevator comes and goes.
Possibly have the autopilot engaged?
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Ron Attwood
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Re: Elevator comes and goes.
I can definitely say it's not the hardware.
Jonathan, thanks for that. It a more likely answer. Having said that the AP seems to be always on at some level, in that there is always a flashing set of numbers in the display. I recall other threads about this, I'll go take a look.
Jonathan, thanks for that. It a more likely answer. Having said that the AP seems to be always on at some level, in that there is always a flashing set of numbers in the display. I recall other threads about this, I'll go take a look.
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Chuck Jodry
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Re: Elevator comes and goes.
There are Autopilot drivers on the yoke and control surfaces including elevators, there would appear to be an issue on loading the unit OR its been engaged and is controlling the deflection .
Check that REDS, Chocks and pitot covers are removed in the AMS , its possible to cause system failures with them on and they are not unloaded from the init when removed by the addon menu , they will reload with a reset.
You have had the worst luck with this plane Ron , it seems if it can be broken your installation will break it .
I would appreciate a list of environmental addons installed , things like A2A's Accu-Feel v.2 AL&S: Global FSX Enhancement , or FS2Crew, FTX Global, Night Environment , etc
And system specs.
Best CJ
Check that REDS, Chocks and pitot covers are removed in the AMS , its possible to cause system failures with them on and they are not unloaded from the init when removed by the addon menu , they will reload with a reset.
You have had the worst luck with this plane Ron , it seems if it can be broken your installation will break it .
I would appreciate a list of environmental addons installed , things like A2A's Accu-Feel v.2 AL&S: Global FSX Enhancement , or FS2Crew, FTX Global, Night Environment , etc
And system specs.
Best CJ
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Ron Attwood
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Re: Elevator comes and goes.
Hey Chuck. I didn't think I had that much trouble with it. No more than anyone else. (paint kit aside!) 
My set up comprises:
W7 pro 64bit
6700K cpu NOT overclocked
16gb RAM RipSaw
ASUS 1070 GPU NOT messed with.
Everything Orbx has except Canberra cityscape and v3 YMML
A few bits of add-on scenery
TIR5
CH yoke and throttle
Saitek TPM, trim wheel and throttle.
Thrustmaster Warthog
Crosswind pedals.
All my aircraft are P3Dv4 compatible. i.e. F86, F100, C310 (no issues with any of those) except RealAir's Dukes and Legacy.
I think that's it.
I have no Add-on AI, ATC, CBS or BBC
A2A's Accu Feel isn't ready yet.
My install has got to be one of the tidiest sims around!
Plus, I tried the Beaver again this morning after Jonathan's AP suggestion and although I couldn't tell if the AP was on or not (pressing buttons makes no differences) I flew it with no problem. Just to clarify, I'm not one of those that notice the minutiae of avionics and such, so I don't go looking for trouble.
The End (play Looney Tunes song)
REDS, Chocks and pitot covers are removed in the AMS
My set up comprises:
W7 pro 64bit
6700K cpu NOT overclocked
16gb RAM RipSaw
ASUS 1070 GPU NOT messed with.
Everything Orbx has except Canberra cityscape and v3 YMML
A few bits of add-on scenery
TIR5
CH yoke and throttle
Saitek TPM, trim wheel and throttle.
Thrustmaster Warthog
Crosswind pedals.
All my aircraft are P3Dv4 compatible. i.e. F86, F100, C310 (no issues with any of those) except RealAir's Dukes and Legacy.
I think that's it.
I have no Add-on AI, ATC, CBS or BBC
A2A's Accu Feel isn't ready yet.
My install has got to be one of the tidiest sims around!
Plus, I tried the Beaver again this morning after Jonathan's AP suggestion and although I couldn't tell if the AP was on or not (pressing buttons makes no differences) I flew it with no problem. Just to clarify, I'm not one of those that notice the minutiae of avionics and such, so I don't go looking for trouble.
The End (play Looney Tunes song)
REDS, Chocks and pitot covers are removed in the AMS
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Chuck Jodry
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Re: Elevator comes and goes.
Nice bit of kit !
Thanks for taking the time to list that , I use a form of differential diagnosis to run down issues , the process removes elements from consideration based on symptoms and the diagnosis is made based on what remains , data is crucial to the method .
Thanks Again
Best CJ
Thanks for taking the time to list that , I use a form of differential diagnosis to run down issues , the process removes elements from consideration based on symptoms and the diagnosis is made based on what remains , data is crucial to the method .
Thanks Again
Best CJ
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Ron Attwood
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Re: Elevator comes and goes.
I forgot. AS4 and ASCA
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Chuck Jodry
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Re: Elevator comes and goes.
FWIW when the plane loads and before you touch the yoke the elevator is down , I wonder if this might be the part of the reported issue .
The Autopilot being on from the saved condition of a previous flight might be it too , toggle the radio switch off and on to check that possibility.
Best CJ
The Autopilot being on from the saved condition of a previous flight might be it too , toggle the radio switch off and on to check that possibility.
Best CJ
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Ron Attwood
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Re: Elevator comes and goes.
True, the elevator IS down before I touch anything. I then wiggle the yoke (technical term) to check it's response.
I'm not sure about the saved flight. I never, ever save a flight. When I'm finished with the flight, whether it's completed or not, it's done. I go for a drink!
Perhaps you mean it's a residual part of the previous session. Could be. One problem is, is that I can't see if the AP is on or off. Whichever button is pressed the AP looks exactly the same.
For the record, another trouble free flight this evening. I'm starting to wish it would come back! I hate to think of you on a wild goose chase.
I'm not sure about the saved flight. I never, ever save a flight. When I'm finished with the flight, whether it's completed or not, it's done. I go for a drink!
Perhaps you mean it's a residual part of the previous session. Could be. One problem is, is that I can't see if the AP is on or off. Whichever button is pressed the AP looks exactly the same.
For the record, another trouble free flight this evening.
I'm starting to wish it would come back! I hate to think of you on a wild goose chase.-
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Re: Elevator comes and goes.
If it happens again and some flavor of autopilot engagement is a suspect, how about pulling the AP circuit breaker? I'm not used to working CBs in sim airplanes, but if these are modeled correctly (and they seem to be, in my limited experience with them), that should force a disengagement. The nice thing about troubleshooting with circuit breakers is, you can be certain you're only affecting one system at a time. I pull that CB sometimes on short hops when I know I won't use the AP and don't want it flashing or beeping at me...
Just an idea.
Just an idea.
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Chuck Jodry
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Re: Elevator comes and goes.
About the saved flight, when the DHC2 session is closed the aircraft state is saved , running or not and a number of systems will be saved and load in that state when Cold and Dark is NOT selected next time the DHC2 is loaded .
Best CJ
Best CJ
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Ron Attwood
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Re: Elevator comes and goes.
Interesting. I've had 'Ready to start' selected. I'll change it to C&D. Now I know why I always get the teensiest bit irked by the battery and generator switches being on. I did, at one point turn the circuit breaker for the AP off as the only way to er...turn it off. Is it me or is this turning from an elevator issue into an AP issue. If that's the case I'm not too fussed by not having an AP. Rarely use them and certainly not in a Beaver. Having said that, if it's there it should work.
I did, at one point turn the circuit breaker for the AP off as the only way to er...turn it off. Is it me or is this turning from an elevator issue into an AP issue. If that's the case I'm not too fussed by not having an AP. Rarely use them and certainly not in a Beaver. Having said that, if it's there it should work.