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I just got through test flying the different models of the DHC-2 Beaver after the update "808" for the Basic Beaver package and the Expansion Pack. Some of these things may of been identified already and I apologize for that.

DHC-2 Beaver Floats (Amphib):

1. Flap Indicator – Red flap indicator pin does not align with any position on the Black placid behind it.
2. Elevator trim indicator indicates correctly (See indicator problems with other models).
3. Really loud banging sound when the floats are in contact with the water. Tone down this loud
sound effect so we can still hear the Hydro Splash sound effect. Please notice there is no loud banging sound during this takeoff - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okt21QYCyME
4. When the landing gear is accidently left down, there is a tire squeal effect when the tire comes into contact with the water. This effect works for touchdown on a hard runway; but it is incorrect for tire contact with water.
If a float plane lands on water with the gear down the plane usually flips over on it’s back! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-48V1m_MZxE

DHC-2 Beaver Straight Floats:

1. Flap Indicator – Red flap indicator pin does not align with any position on the Black placid behind it.
2. Elevator trim indicator indicates backwards. When you trim nose up the indicator moves nose down. When you trim nose down the indicator moves nose up.
3. Really loud banging sound when the floats are in contact with the water. Tone down this loud sound effect so we can still hear the Hydro Splash sound effect. Please notice there is no loud banging sound during this
takeoff - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okt21QYCyME

DHC-2 Beaver Straight Floats / STOL:

1. Flap Indicator – Red flap indicator pin does not align with any position on the Black placid behind it.
2. Elevator trim indicator indicates backwards. When you trim nose up the indicator moves nose down. When you trim nose down the indicator moves nose up.
3. Really loud banging sound when the floats are in contact with the water. Tone down this loud sound effect so we can still hear the Hydro Splash sound effect. Please notice there is no loud banging sound during this
takeoff - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okt21QYCyME
4. After takeoff the plane continually wants to climb uncontrollably even with the use of the elevator controls, elevator trim (nose down), and reducing power.

DHC-2 Beaver (Wheeled):

1. No problems with this model.

DHC-2 Beaver (Wheeled) STOL:

1. Flap Indicator – Reads correctly on this model.
2. Elevator trim indicator indicates backwards. When you trim nose up the indicator moves nose down. When you trim nose down the indicator moves nose up.

DHC-2 Beaver Tundra:

1. No problems with this model.

DHC-2 Beaver Tundra / STOL:

1. Flap Indicator – Reads correctly on this model.
2. Elevator trim indicator indicates backwards. When you trim nose up the indicator moves nose down. When you trim nose down the indicator moves nose up.

DHC-2 Beaver Duster:

1. Flap Indicator – Reads correctly on this model.
2. Elevator trim indicator indicates backwards. When you trim nose up the indicator moves nose down. When you trim nose down the indicator moves nose up.
3. Plane wants to turn right uncontrollably in flight. A fair amount of left aileron required to keep the plane flying straight.

DHC-2 Beaver Ski:

1. Flap Indicator – Reads correctly on this model.
2. Elevator trim indicator - Reads correctly on this model.
3. PSI Gauge between the pilot seats?

DHC-2 Beaver Ski / STOL:

1. Flap Indicator – Reads correctly on this model.
2. Elevator trim indicator indicates backwards. When you trim nose up the indicator moves nose down. When you trim nose down the indicator moves nose up.
3. PSI Gauge between the pilot seats?

Wow.

I know about amphib number 3, and it depends upon your sound system. Some don't have it. I do, and there is an option. You can have no splash sound. Look at the end of the "water sounds" thread for a file that Chuck has provided for those of us with this issue. I am going to try a different sound setup to see whether there is indeed a bass clipping issue here.


Kdub

Did you instal the latest update for the expansion pack? This should solve the reversed trim problem.

Otherwise I am absolutely agree with this:
" DHC-2 Beaver Straight Floats / STOL:
4. After takeoff the plane continually wants to climb uncontrollably even with the use of the elevator controls, elevator trim (nose down), and reducing power."

Something is not right with this AC. The stright floats is great but the STOL is almost unuseble for me. I tried to twick the pitch stability in the CFG-file but it dosent help . There is another thread about this problem in the forum.

[quote="Kalin"
Otherwise I am absolutely agree with this:
" DHC-2 Beaver Straight Floats / STOL:
4. After takeoff the plane continually wants to climb uncontrollably even with the use of the elevator controls, elevator trim (nose down), and reducing power."

Something is not right with this AC. The stright floats is great but the STOL is almost unuseble for me. I tried to twick the pitch stability in the CFG-file but it dosent help . There is another thread about this problem in the forum.[/quote]

In agreement here, after further testing. I enjoy the new drag modeling of the straight floats (and amphib), but the STOL floats model is really twitchy in pitch, and I find it noticeably damped in roll, too. The combination makes it odd to fly.

Hey guys, thanks for your inputs. I was afraid as the new guy people would blow me off. I do have 49 years of aviation experience as a flyer and a FAA certified A & P Mechanic. Yes I do have the latest updates that I know of. I really hated that my first post was to bitch about the plane I waited so long to get. I am so greatful MilViv took this project on and gave us this outstanding airplane. Of course with any new airplane comes teething pains until the bugs are all worked out.
We had a DHC-2 Beaver in our skydiving club many years ago that I have hundreds of jumps from. I even have 1 bailout from the old girl when she had an engine failure and the pilot turned around and looked at us and said "Get Out"! I'll never forget that day. The pilot landed it in a farmers field and we removed the wings, loaded it on a big trailer, and took her back to the airport for repairs. Anyway the Beaver has always been one of my favorite airplanes.

Cliff Lord

It`s great to have a man with your experience in the forum, Cliff!
There is another specific support forum for the expansion pack and the update that solved the problem for me is there. You should ask Oisin to include you in the forum. If you already did that, then post which version of the sim you use and the guys from Milviz will help you.

Best regards,

Kalin

Hello Clifford , Thanks for having posted these observations , I might mention the flap indicator is in perfect sync with the pump handle , its operation better represents " RL " conditions .
Using a keyboard's F key does qualify as a shortcut compared to hand pumping .

All input is welcome and issues reported investigated ..

Those reporting " Pitchiness " in the Straight Floats STOL version please try the attached airfile and report your impressions please

Best CJ