Multiple Issues

[jacob.krustchinsky]

I'm a real world King Air pilot, lot of time split between 200s and 350ERs. First impressions are that most of the systems that I care about being modeled are present and a faithful representation. Deeper examination showed some major inconsistencies and abnormal behavior. The claim "Beyond study level" is a scary label to put on an aircraft that has some glaring issues.

1. Low Idle vs High Idle: There is no change in N1 when the condition levers are advanced from Low Idle to High Idle or retarded from High Idle to Low Idle. This is an obvious behavior that didn't make it into the addon for some reason.

2. HYD FLUID SENSOR test switch: When depressed the HYD FLUID LOW annunciator immediately appears. The real world behavior is approx. a 3-5 second delay between depressing the switch and receiving the annunciator light. This is due to the float being pulled to the bottom of the hydraulic fluid reservoir. The modeled behavior would indicate an incredibly low reservoir level.

3. Performance: The aircraft does not perform like a real King Air 350 at all. I would expect that with props at high and torque at approx. 40% to settle around 160KIAS (+- 10), this aircraft is consistently 40-50 KIAS faster. This is just one example of easily validated performance that cannot be replicated in the simulator. The aircraft's pitch reference is wrong. I would expect at least a 2.5 - 3.5 degree nose up attitude to fly level. The current behavior is more like 0-.05 degrees which is not accurate. There is so much more to discuss here, but I would recommend utilizing the tab data in the POH to at a minimum flight validate the modeled performance before we dig into the more important stuff.

4. Pro Line 21: Glaring issues on this front. I have yet to get the auto-tune LOC to work properly. On any ILS/LOC approach, after NAV swap the course has never been set properly. The AP under-arcs the GP every time, leaving my consistently low regardless of configuration. VNAV is INOP as far as I'm concerned. DEP/ARR page doesn't work the same as the real aircraft. Have yet to be able to successfully utilize a SEC FPLN or ALTN in regards to the DEP/ARR page. Highly strange behavior when going direct to a point on a published approach. Range will bounce around and if you decide to set a course when going direct, it will sometimes just delete your points. Alot more to talk about on this front, but I'm sure you're aware of some of it.

Conclusion: After just a couple of hours I've uncovered ALOT of items that any King Air pilot with a pulse would have provided feedback on. I'm open to being used as a resource to improve this addon, but I'm honestly baffled at the $80 price tag. The bar for "study-level" seems to be getting lower.

[Taguilo]

Hi,

Thanks for your observations.

Unfortunately, watching your first one - Low vs High idle, which is wrong as there is evident change in N1 RPMS, kind of turn the rest of your comments not much valid (except the fluid light that we are aware).

Perhaps you might have install problems?
Are you starting P3D in Scenario open page or a default aircraft? It MUST be in Scenario and from there select the KA.


Tomas

[jacob.krustchinsky]

Hi,

Thanks for your observations.

Unfortunately, watching your first one - Low vs High idle, which is wrong as there is evident change in N1 RPMS, kind of turn the rest of your comments not much valid (except the fluid light that we are aware).

Perhaps you might have install problems?
Are you starting P3D in Scenario open page or a default aircraft? It MUST be in Scenario and from there select the KA.


Tomas

Well that's not the response I was expecting. Here is a video showcasing this exact behavior (or lack thereof) in the simulator.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vN-Jr7 ... e=youtu.be

So you are aware of the HYD FLUID LOW, but not the performance issues? You didn't really address the bulk of my issues.

[doodlebug]

I think Tomas means that the first issue is pointing to a bad install - maybe something is interfering with our sim?
Could you please post your systems specs (or better still, add them to your signature) so we can see under what conditions this abnormal behaviour arises.

[jacob.krustchinsky]

I've updated my signature to show any relevant information. It is a fresh install of P3D, hooked everything up to fly the King Air in the past couple of days. I've even re-installed the aircraft and still having the issues listed above.

[Ephedrin]

I've updated my signature to show any relevant information. It is a fresh install of P3D, hooked everything up to fly the King Air in the past couple of days. I've even re-installed the aircraft and still having the issues listed above.

Hi Jacob,

I've just tried what you explain in the video. Low idle shows around 63% N1 here, high idle rises to 70.7% N1.

Prop goes from 910RPM to 1140RPM and ITT from around 526° to 540°.

[jacob.krustchinsky]

I've updated my signature to show any relevant information. It is a fresh install of P3D, hooked everything up to fly the King Air in the past couple of days. I've even re-installed the aircraft and still having the issues listed above.

Hi Jacob,

I've just tried what you explain in the video. Low idle shows around 63% N1 here, high idle rises to 70.7% N1.

It's good to know at least that issue can be explained as an anomaly on my end. Hopefully the others can as well. I'm gonna do another fresh install of P3D and see what I get.

[Taguilo]

Ok, watched your video, and it seems the mouse control of the lever isn´t working. Did you try with key control, or a lever? Using CTRL-SHIFT-F4 from fuel cutoff brings to low idle - second time CTRL-SHIFT-F4 will bring lever to High Idle.

Now, regarding the "massive draw on battery", what would you expect after just starting right engine? Battery was heavily discharged so generator is providing full charge to it; it also means generator load will start at 100 % right after start and will decrease as long as battery keeps recovering charge. It is recommended to wait until Gen load reaches 50 % and lower, or batt charge below 10 amps before attempting a second engine start.

About the rest of your comments, would be great that you post the flight plan you flew in your test so we can check it.

Thanks!

Tomas

[Ephedrin]

I've updated my signature to show any relevant information. It is a fresh install of P3D, hooked everything up to fly the King Air in the past couple of days. I've even re-installed the aircraft and still having the issues listed above.

Hi Jacob,

I've just tried what you explain in the video. Low idle shows around 63% N1 here, high idle rises to 70.7% N1.

It's good to know at least that issue can be explained as an anomaly on my end. Hopefully the others can as well. I'm gonna do another fresh install of P3D and see what I get.

If one reinstal doesn't help it's unlikely that a second or third will help. Have you excluded all P3D folders from your antivirus? and have you deactived it during the installation of the kingair? also make sure you run P3D as an admin.

[MikeM]

I've updated my signature to show any relevant information. It is a fresh install of P3D, hooked everything up to fly the King Air in the past couple of days. I've even re-installed the aircraft and still having the issues listed above.

Hi Jacob,

I've just tried what you explain in the video. Low idle shows around 63% N1 here, high idle rises to 70.7% N1.

It's good to know at least that issue can be explained as an anomaly on my end. Hopefully the others can as well. I'm gonna do another fresh install of P3D and see what I get.

Just as a sanity check, did you hit the RESET L/R GEN switch after startup? This massively impacts N1/RPM in ground idle conditions with little or no throttle.


Mike

[Ephedrin]

moving the lever with the mouse doesn't change the N1 here either. it wants to increase but stucks at 65%.

[Taguilo]

Noted. Will be fixed together with new lever control options in the next two days.

Thanks!

Tomas

[jacob.krustchinsky]

Ok, watched your video, and it seems the mouse control of the lever isn´t working. Did you try with key control, or a lever? Using CTRL-SHIFT-F4 from fuel cutoff brings to low idle - second time CTRL-SHIFT-F4 will bring lever to High Idle.

Now, regarding the "massive draw on battery", what would you expect after just starting right engine? Battery was heavily discharged so generator is providing full charge to it; it also means generator load will start at 100 % right after start and will decrease as long as battery keeps recovering charge. It is recommended to wait until Gen load reaches 50 % and lower, or batt charge below 10 amps before attempting a second engine start.

About the rest of your comments, would be great that you post the flight plan you flew in your test so we can check it.

Thanks!

Tomas

I'll re-try with the keybind.

For the first of the day with a fresh battery, anything in excess of 20 AMPS even with a some of the high consumers on is wrong. I don't take issue with the generator load meter showing the large demand on that generator, it's a side effect of the real issue which is excessive draw. In that clip, the time from no power established to first start on the battery was maybe less than 2 minutes. In the real world, I routinely tie up the busses (which I did not do in that clip), power the flap motor, turn the avionics master on (to get ATIS), and even power some of our additional equipment in the cabin and have never seen such an excessive draw so quick. Just food for thought.

[drobs2001]

I can confirm that on my end N1 is increasing from Low Idle to High Idle. 62% to 71%

I have bound the conditional levers to my saitek throttle.

[matpietsch]

I fully support the PL21 topic. I have tried basic stuff like ABEAM fixes, hold etc. nothing at all or works at all or as it should.

Again the question: Who to contact for a refund?