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 Post subject: Re: HUEY PATCH LIST
PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 2:28 pm 
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I am unsure if FSX even supports a dynamic rotor disc. I would personally love to see an effect like that. The rotor disc changes a lot though doing many phases of flight. Working on H-60's that have the fully articulated rotor system, and not a fixed rotor system like the UH-1. On the H-60 you can see the blades cone upward at takeoff and when it is held in a hover. Can see the rotor disc flattening out as airspeed increases. Then as you say it also changes with cyclic inputs as well. It would most likely take a large number of mathematic calculations to put something like that into FSX if it could even be done. I doubt at this stage in product development something like that would be added though.

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 Post subject: Re: HUEY PATCH LIST
PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 12:45 am 
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Goodday today.

I think i need to be a bit clearer on this.

What i ment was that if you push the cyclic in whatever direction, the spinning disk is tilting to in that direction.
Even with the rotorblades not rotating you must be able to see a reaction of the blades while moving the cyclic.

You can see what i mean by using: the default Bell 206B jetRanger, the freeware Bell 47 made by Jean-Marie Mermaz
and the freeware Hiller OH-23G Raven made by Tim Piglet Conrad.
The nice thing with the default Bell 206B and the Bell 47 is that even the pilot figure is moving along with your inputs
on the cyclic.

I am aware that the Hiller and the Bell 47 are originally FS9 but succesfully portted over (with some adjustments on the textures)
to FSX, but i don't see that this would be a problem.

I hope that i made myself clear.

Coming back on the fixed rotor, the default Bell 206B should have it but it still moves.
The Huey, i think, doesn't have a fixed rotor.
Even your own model, just like the original, has the mecanical devices underneith the rotormast to push it either direction.
I am by no means an expert and you must correct me if i'm wrong, but I have seeing lots of videos and pictures with the blades tilted in an angle with the engines shut off.

Greeting of a longtime Huey addict.


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 Post subject: Re: HUEY PATCH LIST
PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 12:36 pm 
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The rotor disc should move, do not get my wrong. What I mean by a fixed rotor is that the blades are not hinged on the hub of the aircraft. On say the H-60 there is a rubber bearing that connects the blade to the hub, so you can move it in 360 degrees of rotation (lead, lag, flap, and droop). Which is why you see it has a main rotor vibration dampening system to control the lead/lag motion while in flight. The huey's rotor blades are just directly bolts to the hub without that bearing. So they pitch to control the angle of the blade hitting the air creating lift. I will give examples of it since it is easier to see it (believe me it has taken me years of working on helicopters to even begin to understand how they fly, and even now I still don't fully comprehend it even though I see it on a daily basis). I just try to pass on what knowledge I do have. I was unaware that those effects have been replicated since FS9 though. I just recently started getting into helicopters in FSX as of late. The Huey was my first one in a long time cause I bought ones previously and got a bad taste in my mouth for them. Things should start getting better though. I will pass the comments along. I do enjoy topics like this. I always tend to learn stuff.

Here is simple rotor system like the Huey would have: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Robin ... orhead.jpg

Here is a fully articulated rotor system(not as good a picture as I was looking for, but you can see it is a great deal more complex): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sikor ... 230176.jpg

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 Post subject: Re: HUEY PATCH LIST
PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 5:04 pm 
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I have a friend that flew these in nam and he has this the Huey, I would like him to come to this thread and post his concerns about the addon, can hold off on the patch a bit?


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 Post subject: Re: HUEY PATCH LIST
PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 5:54 pm 
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Patch is not out yet. Work has already been started on it though. Never hurts to voice concerns. We are watching.

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